I would like to take the opportunity to correct you on this matter. We do not spam local chat with profanity &/or vulgar insults, miners seem very proficient in this though. I look forward to seeing you employ swift justice on these terrible people at some point in time (Heh, who am I kidding? This will never happen).

3 pages already and nobody has realized that this Tolero Guard is the same Torarjan Collective that was featured in James' most recent blog post?

not your personal army, Mr. Salvator.

I heard that before the boogie man goes to bed he looks under his bed for James 315.

I heard James 315 bumped the monument outside Jita 4-4 CNP that it broke.

An attack on someone defenseless is wrong and should not be encouraged nor should cowardice in general even in a computer game, scamming yeah i am good with that, pvp yeah I cant say i like it particularly but its still good, attacking the defenseless, nope those people are scum and should never in any way be lead to believe otherwise.

Except they too hide behind the police, so you cannot give them a nose bleed without suffering one yourself. So the obvious solution is to have another character around with guns as they will not attack that and they don't they go find someone else who is defenseless.

Cowards one and all, call it what you will but that is all they are.

Yes and I would love to see me get ganked mining, oh wait my alts in hi-sec fly skiffs so nope safe there. This character, completely safe as I don't fly defenseless ships around in hi-sec mostly because I rarely go to hi-sec.

Amazing how people come up with different labels to call what is just cowardice.

My guess is they all have great incomes from there other alts are some goo ISK rolling in with little effort.And it would be fine if they had to live with the consequence of their actions but they don't, sure all the alts will disappear in a short while and new ones will appear and repeat.Now if i lost my 40 mil investment while grinding for just 4 mil a hour in a ice field in 07 space I would start to think the cards are all stacked against new players and its pointless.At least use your main alt and stop hideing behind two months old alts if your all for the cause.

And there is no fighting them. For the most part, they are on throw away characters. I have only seen two that are over 30 days old. They don't care about their ships and the bounties they produce when killed are pitiful. In essence, they are causing harassment. The fact that most aren't using their main characters to do this lets you know that they also know it is wrong. The game punishes people for such harassment so they're avoiding it with the new characters.

Maybe us new players should get some cheap ships and go and pod the one day old accounts coming out of a station unless they pay us 10 mil sure CCP would like that . Its the same principle as what New order is trying to do and its a game breaker.

Don't tell him that. There's a huge difference between actual newbies still in the tutorials and a newish player a month old. The gamemasters expand the definition of harassment greatly when it comes to rookies. If I remember a GM post I saw correctly, the rules aren't absolutely set but are to the spirit of 'don't **** with rookies'.

The difference is between ganking a player who doesn't know how to move their ship and ganking a month-old who understands game mechanics to the extent of being able to support themselves and affect other players in a meaningful way. A month-old who can avoid danger if they think, pay attention and realise that sometimes they have to compromise. EVE is harsh and you* can't define yourself as a rookie for as long as you find it convenient to the detriment of the game of those around you.

*e: not you

You do what you do beause the majority of people don't like what you're doing? That is one definition of a harasser.

I mine in hi-sec so I don't have to deal with people using cowardly or petty tactics to interrupt my game. That's what Hi-sec is suppose to be about - no matter what the lag time of CONCORD is.

Its just about risk and reward and loss ,These members of the new order have nothing to lose so hence they cant ever lose the only people who lose are the victems.New miners who invest in a ship and fit to mine ice have a great deal to lose.

Highsec cannot be allowed to harbor bumpers any more than it is gankers. It has far too many of both.

You can't fight a kamikaze pilot.

Best case, you get a gank fleet together and pre-gank them. Hard to do when they instawarp on undock to a safe spot for ~10-15 seconds then warp to zero on target.

You may take out one ore two before CONCORD shows up but they already planned on losing the ship so you have not changed anything from their point of view.

If we, as miners, could fight back, we would. Most of us have heavily training into *gasp* mining and lack the skills to effectively gank with a decent chance.

Hey guys, I found a new site online!

Please check it out at: http://noneworderineve.com/

I know it's not much to look at yet but it's a start and it is being worked on.

Petitions fall of deaf ears at CCP, we have yet to receive a positive response to any petition with CCP quoting the usual crap about Eve being a sandbox.

And what's more interesting is that the miner bumpers like to claim that CCP is losing tons of ~revenue~ from bumping. If only a tiny fraction of miners get attacked, and the tears are amplified for teh lulz, then the actual impact on revenue is probably quite low.

It's like a beautiful poem. I've got to try it

A bumper is here
Now I must buy a permit
A gank is my fate.

BBB

well if I knew where to find him i might get a crew together and try for that. Any of you NO's knight and agents willing to give that info?

And one final question; what would you do with James' corpse? Wouldn't it be a much better investment to buy 100 million ISK in shares?

No, you're missing the point again. If there's a criminal flag, it means they're a petty criminal who Concord somehow managed to notice. If there's not, then they might be a law-abiding citizen or they might be criminal masterminds who've managed to avoid Concord even finding out about them.

except concord are omnipotent so that means the new order are just ******* morons \o/

i'm butthurt

I'd love the clearence to set up a ******* hictor in one of these systems right along a primary warp route in. Or just at the 500 km mark outside a field. Ever see a drop warp ambush? One of the greatest things in the world if you do it right.

He wrote some other things so don't take this out of context or as a sign of confession.



If you don't trust me at least trust one of your fellow pawns.

So little minion using disposable alts just for ganking is a violation of EULA.

This is something i'd love to see change. They want to gank like this we should be able to defend in ways OTHER than running. Five dominix with sentry drones another long range battleships and a few frigates+cruisers and you'd see one very dead fleet.

This is why i CANT set up a hictor bubble by the way.

I don't understand your argument really, all you see is black and white, is there no grey in your world? There's a middle ground between 'high-sec 100% safe-' and '100% unsafe'. This middle ground is where the game is currently, meaning both sides have the opportunity to enjoy the kind of gameplay they want. It's still a multiplayer game though, so yes, you might occasionally encounter someone who wants to play the game in a way different from your own.

I'm starting to feel like a broken record here...

I fully endorse and desire the implementation of letting SB's use their bombs in Hisec..:)

CCP, make it so. Thousands of players are with me on this.


I also want to see bubbles too.

It is amusing that this thread has lasted three weeks longer than the Tolero Guard itself.

Wow threats now . Hum must of hit a nerve lol

Observe, a bumper alt posing as a miner to spin a story in order to "assure" CCP that their "content" is good for the game and that new players actually like being harassed.

Filthy undesirables...

I am just 4 months in to eve and i come very close to getting ganked by the new order a month ago. I can ill afford to lose my ship and i struggle to make isk in this game and was annoyed that some one is trying to tax me to mine in high sec .

I spat my dummy out on this thread as i thought it was just not right at the time.I waited to see a response from some high sec mining corps and more experienced players but seems few players stood up to them and no front was launched as far as i can see, i would of got involved in it out of my annoyance with the new order.But it turned out to be more like the judea people's front fighting the Romans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE,

After a few more hours of soul destroying mining i come to the conclusion that most people must be using a Alt are AFK to mine for more than a hour a day while remaining sane.Now i see allot more miners escorted by protection while mining and maybe paying a bit more attention.

And i see the new order for what it is , A group of players making some in game content and a story and god if one place ever needed it its a high sec mining site , so now i am more than happy to pay for the permit for no other reason than they brought some content to a place that had none

It's a shame that kids are being raised by these people. Not only that, but they're told to say propaganda like that.

And on the topic of the New Order, can someone donate a few PLEX to James and Wescro for re-sculpting?

Never before have I seen douchier-looking Capsuleers. Much of the New Order is rather intimidating, but those two...ugh. I throw up a little every time I see their avatars.

Last I checked, we can have opinions about whatever the hell we want. This is, after all, Eve.

And yes, I'll say it to anyone's face; the fact that he has a 7-year old on one of the most proficient *******-breeding ground MMO's is questionable.

My 2 cents.
I have no problem with ganking, hulkageddon is fine burn jita was awesome,
my problem is with the bullshit reasons given like "saving miners", new order aren't helping anybody.
I wish they could just cut the crap and admit that ganking is just fun.

My problem with the code: nothing in the code applies to me yet still I would fall victim to their ganking because my "code" forbids me from paying protection money.

So new order wants miners to stop AFKing and to join the community more, well...

I am ALWAYS at the keyboard yet will usually apear to be AFK, I have 3 toons and 1 monitor so while I'm mining I will be Playing SOMER Blink or doing PI or tabbed out, exploring, helping to run a corp, recruiting, training new members or PvPing.
I do not mine exessively, 4-5 hours of mining will allow me to fund my other persuits rather than gaining wealth.
Now I could cut back on my other persuits and spend some of my time more actively mining (I do this with the corp anyway) and I would need to mine less but then I'm spending LESS time getting involved in the community. So what they're doing is potentially counter productive.
I "AFK" mine in order to spend MORE time being part of the sand box, so since they took over the ice belt I use, I can't afford to mine AND PvP as much, my corp gets less money and less of my time, my recruits get less of my time and SOMER get less of my money, so in the end everyone loses (and loses big cos I'm awesome)

So back to my first point, if james' manifesto is real it's dumb and counter-productive, if it's roleplay please just drop it, it's really lame and annoying.
Just say it: "we like shooting miners, it's fun" or come up with a better roleplay story, the whole justice against miners thing just sucks ass, The manifesto makes new order sound like a religious zealots, westboro baptist cunts and there's nothing worse than people shoving their **** opinions in your face. Some AFK mine others gank, just shut up and do whatever is you do and STOP PREACHING....

I don't even know which part pisses me off most now, it wasn't meant to be a rant but i think i got a little carried away so i'll stop now.

Anyway, Fly/Mine/Gank safe o7

@ Agent Eunoli don't take my statement as a sign that i approve of you and your groups actions(method of extortion). There is only one reason I'd want NO to grow and that so i can hunt you down more. You in particular have proved a very elusive target and i have enjoyed every moment of following where you've gone and trying to catch up and kill you but alas the feds are always faster. Heck my corp m8's have had better luck at hunting you guys down but i digress. Regards Agent E we will meet in battle someday

I don't really care one way or the other but I do have a question for the new order if they will indulge me.

How do you measure your success against the ultimate goal of changing the way people play?

What's obvious is that you have blown up a lot of stuff and annoyed a lot of miners but I would imagine that a true "victory" for you guys is for someone who was mining by themselves altering their playstyle to embrace player interactions. But how do you measure that? How do you distinguish the people who are just paying the 10mil because they want you off their back and those who you are truly changing?

Will you guys ever know when you have achieved your goal or can you even give an indication of what proportion of the way along you have already got?

It would be one hell of a data gathering exercise (maybe you're already doing it).

He was aligned out, but didn't bother to move. If he had the right size of mwd he might have been able to warp out when 14 reds just jumped into system, but I doubt he was paying attention to local. The gank itself would have surely failed, considering my client crash and Trasks Brutix align delay, if the Orca hadn't equpped two cargohold expanders, which dropped its EHP by a whopping 15,000.

Are we still caring about this?

Henry wouldn't pay the mining permit fee... here's some footage I uncovered of why he mad

Bump!

Perhaps the new order could help miners graduate from high-sec to join low and null-sec corps which can provide them both security and lucrative markets in which to conduct industry.